do you think he can pick up any support on anything with the nra? >> i think it's window dressing, smart, politically savvy window dressing, but i think the white house and nra have completely different goals and agendas here. but the white house will at least say, hey, look, we met with the other side. whether or not it's in good faith i think remains to be seen. and one more thing, i want to go back to governor cuomo, and i am no fan of governor cuomo's, but i will, once again, echo what you said, larry, part of his package that he's introduced in new york does explicitly address the mental health issue which i think actually is important and it also toughens laws when it comes to committing crimes with weapons. >> right. >> that's also an important element. >> let me just walk through. hang on a second. let me walk through. i didn't like cuomo's -- karen, you'll love it, i hate it. i do like him on gun controls. tighten assault weapon bans. here's one, mark simone, renew licenses every five years. i like that a lot. limit large ammunition sales,